Miri – Episode 9

This week, Rachel and Chris explore their childhood fantasy of living in a post apocalyptic world with no parents by covering the episode Miri!

In this episode, Kirk, Spock, McCoy and Rand go down to an exact duplicate Earth. Instead of freaking out about how amazing this is, they get distracted by a disease and some kids, then forget all about it.

Special thanks to Chad Fifer for our theme tune and to Greig Johnson for his vocal stylings!

Next episode: Dagger of the Mind!

18 thoughts on “Miri – Episode 9”

  1. Hi both,

    First time commenting, really enjoy the show!

    You said ‘Next week…’ at the end. Are you going weekly?

    Also, this seems like an early use of the term ‘Before-times.’ Could it be the first, or are there earlier uses in other films/shows/books?


    1. ‘Next week…’ I think came out of my (Chris) habit with the HPL lit podcast. Slip of the tongue. We’re hoping to up our game in the coming months and have a bit more to offer. Sorry!

      Before times? Hmmm… that might require a bit of research.

      1. ‘Before times’ as a general concept could be traced back to mythical/religious apocalyptic occurrences like the biblical flood, a modern version of ‘antediluvian’. For the specific phrase, as it’s associated with post-apocalyptic tales its origins are likely to be somewhere in those.

        Whilst there are earlier examples (e.g. some of H.G. Wells’ tales), post-apocalyptic stories really started to grow in popularity and number post-WWII with growing fears that the Cold War would result in global nuclear annihilation. Edgar Pangborn’s post-apocalyptic stories contain a similar phrase, referring to ‘the old times’ and only predate Miri by a couple of years. ‘Before times’ is quite a child-like construction, so I think it’s entirely possible that Miri is the origin of the exact phrase.

        1. Yeah, I was thinking specifically of the term ‘Before times’, which I’ve seen used in several places to indicate that society no longer has access to wordy-word books.

        2. Actually, in an episode of South Park where they used the term, the commentary (or an interview) credited Star Trek as the inspiration for both that phrase and the related plot device.

      2. I suspected it might be a slip of the tongue, but prefer to live in hope!

        You have nothing to be sorry about. Don’t feel you have to work faster just because some internet strangers always want more. You both rock!

  2. Great podcast guys. This episode is one that I vividly remember first watching with my uncle when I was about I’m going to say 10 or 12. that was in the seventies watching Star Trek with my uncle how I got into the fandom.

    Really enjoy the insight and discussion. Thanks for sharing.

  3. “Bonk, Bonk, on the head…” I’m sorry that kid with the hammer is a psycho. I felt sorry for the team left behind. I can’t help but think of the challenge of unwrapping 300 years of Psychosis. They probably had to sleep in shifts for fear of the “Bonk” kid. I have to agree this is a pretty creepy episode.

    Side note: there is a punk Star Trek band called “No Kill I”, name pulled from a future episode, that has a song dedicated to that kid. The title…… Wait for it….. “Bonk, Bonk, on the head”.

  4. I loved the description of the tricycle grup as ‘a zombie in a wig’ – though my first reaction on seeing him was ‘Blimey, Owen Wilson has really let himself go!’

    This episode is another early example of Trek’s negative view of transhumanism – this time it’s genetic manipulation causing the problem.

    Interesting that Rachel mentioned at the open that she though Kirk and Rand might play a parental role, as their children are actually in the episode (the actors’ children, that is). Among the Onlies are Shatner’s daughters Lisabeth (the little girl Kirk is carrying when he returns to find Bones has taken the vaccine) and Leslie (the brown-haired girl whose head Kirk touches later in the same scene), and Grace Lee Whitney’s sons Jon and Scott (the two boys who help Jahn steal the communicators). Gene Roddenberry’s daughters Darleen and Dawn are in the gang too (in the scene where Miri is convincing Jahn to kidnap Rand, they’re the two girls sitting together).

  5. I never liked the element that these places are like earth – with the exception of the gangsters which at least had a reason for it. This “just like earth” theme comes up again and again (don’t want to spoil it) but even at age 8 or 9 I knew that by the time they got to Yanks and Comms, something whackadoodle was going on in the writing. But – I love the show to forgive much.

    Also, the weirdest thing about Michael J. Pollard is how little his dang face changed over the years. Even when he got gray hair, his face remained cherubic. I don’t know if that’s good or bad – but he’s an underrated character actor.

  6. Came across this on the HP Podcast feed. After listening for a few minutes thought, “This really needs to be its own podcast.” Was delighted to find out that it is. Love listening to Rachel’s commentary!

    You guys mentioned Michael J. Pollard, but Kim Darby, who played Miri, was also a big-time actor for awhile. She starred opposite John Wayne in “True Grit” in 1969 and was in several other major films as well.

  7. Miri
    Kids have to eat, adults killed them.

    Alright, I am going to nerd out for a moment. You guys have just come across a parallel earth, Earth 2, but you will be coming across many more human cultures at different states of Earth’s history spread across the universe in coming episodes. The canon reason for this is two fold. In the TOS episode “Bread and Circuses”, Hodgkin’s Law of Parallel Planetary Development is put forth. The theory was that similar planets with similar environments and similar populations tended to gravitate toward similar biological developments over time. This is why a Roman Culture was found in “Bread and Circuses” and also why a 1960s American culture was found in “Miri”, among others. It also explains why family units, legal codes, governments etc are so similar across many humanoid species like Vulcans, Klingons, Romulans etc even though they had no contact before space travel.

    So similar humanoids develop similar cultures and Humans developing on other worlds tend to develop very similarly to Earth. But why are there other Humans on other planets anyway and why is there another Earth to boot, you may ask? This is the second part of the reason. In the TNG episode “The Chase” it is revealed that billions of years ago there existed only one species throughout the galaxy. They were hyper-advanced but very lonely. So they created the Humanoid races modeled after themselves and seeded them throughout the galaxy. This is why Humans, Klingons, Cardassians, Bajorans, Andorans, Vulcans etc etc are all humanoids and share DNA markers (It also explains why every series of Star Trek relies on the aliens being just humans with weird stuff on their face). They also may have terraformed planets into class M worlds for these species to develop on. They may even have recreated an Earth to seed more than one planet with the same species.

    Adding to this in the TOS episode “The Paradise Syndrome” where it is revealed that a group of Native American Humans live on a newly discovered planet. They were put there by the “Preservers”, an ancient and powerful species that went around the galaxy taking already existing but in danger of extermination, humanoid cultures and relocating them to other worlds. This also explains why many Human cultures locked into certain historic societies have been found around the galaxy. The Preservers however were working billions of years after the Originator species mentioned above and they were not creating new species by all accounts. It is not known if they are the same species (“Ronald D. Moore has stated that he’d considered, but intentionally did not specify, that the ancient humanoids seen in TNG: “The Chase” were in fact the Preservers. He noted, “but this could be them and be internally consistent.”), or if the Preservers were another Humanoid species seeded by the Originators. (“However, they are stated to be the same species in the DS9 comic “Descendants” and in Star Trek Online.”)(“In William Shatner’s Star Trek novel The Preservers, The Preservers created Earth 2 at a subatomic level to be exactly like Earth”) *these three quoted passages are from the Memory-Alpha Wiki.

    It is also not known if The Prophets from DS9, Trelane (TOS’s The “Squire of Gothos” who in the novels is said to be a member of Q species) and the Q aliens are the same species as either the Originators or the Preservers, their descendants or un-related.

    Also, about Rachel’s observation that there are so few children on Earth 2 when over the last 300 years they only aged 3 months. Putting aside that we only see this one city on the whole planet and don’t know for certain what the remaining population is on the rest of the world, let’s just assume it’s similar. First off when the plague hits, the adults turned into insane murderous savages before dying. These killers probably took out most of the children right in the beginning. The children that survived had to fend for themselves after that. Their natural lifespans were extended but they still can die from violence, accidents, exposure, untreated disease and starvation. 300 years is a long time to last on decaying and possibly poisonous food supplies. Their population can’t increase because when they become sexually mature they go insane and die. So starvation and disease must have been devastating to children unequipped to handle them over the course of 300 years. The real question is how a human intellect develops over decades and even hundreds of years. Would their minds not continue to grow and in fact become adults even while their bodies stay locked in pre-pubescence? Similar to the young girl bitten in “Interview with a Vampire” that is trapped in a child’s body with an adult’s mind. This concept is explored in the Cowboy Bebop episode “Sympathy for the Devil” in which a child who is stopped from aging due to a temporal disaster has become a killer for the last several decades.

  8. I am a big fan of the hppodcraft but might love you guys even more! I’ve convinced my (actual Star Trek fan) husband to join in on the fun. Unfortunately, he now wants us to watch the entire series too… Thanks???


  9. I come from the distant past with a comment on your comment on a comment!
    Regarding the friendly insults men tend to trade, fantasy author Jim Butcher commented that it means something like, “I have so much regard for you that I went out of my way to create this insult so that we can have the fun of a mildly adversarial conversation. See how much I care?”

  10. I don’t think the children would begin to think like adults due to time and experience. Puberty, if I remember an episode about this (not a brain specialis at all), reforms children’s brains, specifically the prefrontal cortex, related to decision making and reasoning.

  11. not a great episode but i like it i feel sorry for mira she was mis understood kirk got close to rand and i cry when i thought mccoy was going to die but didnt and mccoy and spock found the cure to plague live long and prosper

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